Beth Bosk interviews Judi Bari as well as loggers Jim Murphy and Virgil Maxwell on KZYX FM in Boonville, California - June 9, 1992
Show Notes by Nicholas Wilson:
Judi was a guest of Beth Bosk on Beth's KZYX talk show on June 9, 1992, which was during the Enchanted Meadow/Albion Uprising campaign.
This is a great program featuring three main sections:
* Judi talking about masculine and feminine aspects of our relationship with nature and how that gets distorted by the dominant culture
** Judi's analysis of what the LP memos leaked to her revealed: LP boss Harry Merlo's plan to take over LP's most valuable assets and leave the stockholders with worthless cut-over stumplands
*** The extended dialog with two loggers, Jim and Virgil, who showed up as counter-demonstrators with a "Forest Raper" sign at an Enchanted Meadow environmentalist rally a few days before the show
Time Description
Time Description
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0:00.000 Beth Bosk intros herself, lists sponsors
0:23.192 Beth intros Judi, says she's one of 10 women who violated court order
0:43.391 Two loggers, Jim Murphy and Virgil Maxwell, will join discussion later
1:01.478 Beth asks Judi about LP trespass demo by 10 women
1:38.712 Judi said it wasn't planned as women only, just turned out that way
1:52.916 Albion has history of strong women's movement
2:34.213 Beth cites Sharon Doubiago
*2:44.860 Judi expounds on feminine and masculine aspects
**4:41.033 Judi reveals LP bosses' plan to take over company, screw stockholders
5:18.542 LP memos from Bob Morris were leaked thru Judi
5:55.248 newspaper analysis of LP memos were shallow
6:36.604 what the LP memos were
6:58.625 Judi's analysis of LP memos, Merlo planned takeover of LP
8:13.190 memo came out in 88 & Merlo began logging to infinity, quick liquidation
9:13.469 LP moved local mill equipment to Mexico mill
10:00.615 no way Merlo didn't know he would soon run out of timber
10:15.440 Morris suspects Merlo of hiding value in the mills to finance his Mexico gambit
10:30.277 LP going Siberia, 55% of earth's remaining old growth
10:58.025 reports that Russians wanted mill equipment as payment for forests
11:31.079 Harry's master scam
13:41.759 Judi says Merlo began to execute his plan
13:54.406 Merlo planned to liquidate woods so stockholders would be left with empy bag
14:05.682 Judy thinks "we" busted Harry's takeover plan
14:10.834 Judi thinks Redwood Summer busted Harry by exposing depleted forests
15:10.539 LP admits 90% of trees under 45 yr old; timber gap
15:41.711 mills will be removed when timber gap comes
15:58.598 timber companies will convert their land to real estate
***16:21.066 Beth brings in 2 timber workers to dialog with Judi
16:47.913 Jim Murphy and Virgil Maxwell, loggers join in studio
17:16.826 Jim Murphy speaks first on behalf of loggers historic lifestyle
17:35.356 these loggers came to Y rally w "tree raper" sign
18:47.830 Beth says activist haven't broken the industry, industry has done it themselves
19:14.730 Virgil commends enviros' effort to expose companies' corruption
19:53.650 what inspires Virgil is that enviros see that problem is corporate corruption at the top
20:25.701 Judi says many timber workers helping EF!
21:08.865 Judi: we're against corporate liquidation logging, not against working people
21:14.040 Judi: we are working people ourself; I was a carpenter until disabled
21:39.248 where they're successful in pitting enviros vs workers, the enviros are well-off city dwellers
21:51.139 Judi says we all live here together, not enviro snobs from city
22:04.321 Judi: we have a lot more in common than differences
22:07.722 logger Virgil agrees, says money and corruption at top is the problem
23:06.470 Virgil's analysis of corporate plan
24:05.197 Virgil: corporations have used enviros as cover for closing mills
24:47.562 Beth is amazed at Virgil's
25:00.000 Judi asks loggers for ideas of what to do
25:13.408 Judi asks how we can take our lives and forests back
25:14.575 Virgil replies
25:56.805 Judi: LP claims 4.2% of trees 85 or older, and that's all she sees on trucks
26:40.933 Judi asks if logger pride might oppose cutting last OG
27:16.647 Jim Murphy says he prefers to log old-growth, gets a charge out of conquering nature
27:39.461 Murphy prefers big clearcuts, big logs, more challenge
27:51.086 Judi: what about your kids if they're almost out of old growth
28:08.302 Murphy hopes his kids will work in Siberia
28:20.000 Virgil: corporations are still going to rape and pillage in Siberia or wherever
29:03.726 phone caller Mary Norbert Korte, poet
29:41.392 Mary: Virgil is in station today because of enviro hijinks
30:03.774 Mary: Thank god for Virgil and for Judi. Judi understands the workers
30:12.501 tape turnover gap of 10-15 seconds
30:31.389 Beth queries logger if he's aware of effect of logging on weather
31:19.822 logger Murphy: no idea. I'm more interested in conquering the forest.
31:50.000 Beth: we need these ancient trees standing for future generations
32:08.667 Jim: hasn't figured out what to do when trees are gone
32:21.233 woman caller: these two guys had a sign saying "forest raper"
32:45.516 caller reads short poem to LP Forest Rapers
33:54.822 Beth says poet is one of Does being sued by LP
34:05.093 Virgil says he's been called forest raper, but does what he's ordered to
34:45.687 Virgil says there are good ways to log that leave a healthy forest
35:05.687 Virgil continues: ... but not under the corporate way
35:12.015 Judi: corporations make loggers cut themselves out of work.
36:53.080 man caller to logger Jim: forest belongs to me and my kids too
37:38.647 ... future generations need benefits of the forest, rain, fish
37:58.536 ... you've alienated me from sympathy for working loggers
38:26.427 Jim replies: all he knows is logging, killing trees. It's all he ever strived to do.
39:11.832 Beth: it's a deep lifestyle, almost a religion. How can we redirect that?
39:33.403 Virgil: last caller should take issue to Congressman, but government is corrupt, money-driven
41:11.577 Judi asks Jim how much work he actually has cutting OG since he's clean.
41:21.434 Jim: I'm drawing unemployment
41:27.855 caller Naomi Wagner refers to Forest Advisory Committee hearing next Saturday
42:14.370 Naomi: we need loggers' skills for restoration
43:02.998 Virgil: corporations keep us at odds, workers vs enviros to splinter us
43:27.905 ... opening communication between workers and enviros
43:53.252 Virgil: forest mismanaged for century; time to stop now while there's still seed stock left
44:44.793 ... need united front from workers, enviros and political structure
45:22.106 Virgil: every industry is now corrupt because its puppet to economic structure
45:36.701 gap in tape for few seconds
45:52.841 Judi: need to keep the timber workers in this community or it will be yuppified
46:32.611 Naomi asks Virgil & Jim their feelings re FAC recommendation
47:09.124 Virgil claims ignorance re FAC
47:33.746 caller Anna Taylor objects to "conquering the forest" attitude
49:52.827 Anna: conquering forest isn't lifestyle, it's addiction, maybe
50:30.745 Jim: sure, I consider myself a warrior against the woods
50:46.383 Jim suggests loggers could drill offshore oil wells
51:03.226 Judi: we need workers restoring forest, not liquidating it
51:52.734 Jim: loggers would like to log well, but corporations demand quick cash
52:26.432 Judi: the money's going to Portland, Atlanta, Texas
52:56.298 Virgil: grassroots is the key; need people to get together to stop corporate harm
54:37.078 Luna from Albion: calls for info to map remaining 2nd and old growth habitat
57:44.174 man caller: plugs LightHawk presentation in Ukiah
58:59.540 Beth says we have own aerial photographers, Louis Bigfoot and Nick Wilson
59:14.998 Virgil: people should investigate what's happening to their country - ... corporations are robbing us and our children
60:31.072 Jim's last word: saving my money to fly to Siberia and go back to logging